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    Free agency question

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    Dr. Mayhem


    Theremin Player

    650 posts
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    Posted - 9/11/2013 12:22:22 PM
    Free agency question
    Since Kent fell 2 picks short of staying awake for the entire draft, is he required to make picks to fulfill his draft minimums before he can make any other free agency pickups? His team still only has 1 kicker and 1 defense. Does he need to fill those slots before he can make any other selections? If not, then it could be seen that he is being rewarded in a way for not making it to the end of the draft.
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    Z-Daddy


    Critical Manager

    1310 posts
    Fu: 101.10
    Posted - 9/11/2013 3:49:55 PM
    I concur.
    I would have logged off with three to go so I didn't have to get another K, DF, and Coach so I could fill them with RB's and WR's in FA. He must collect the minimums, right?

    I will also say that I don't think Mike should be allowed to post-post numbers for his players for week one (that's why we have 5,000 rules and deadlines) but it's going to be real shitty (MIKE) if Kent gets in the playoffs because he has one more win than me. Seattle/GB anyone?

    Though to be honest, I didn't look and see if you would have won anyway.
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    Z-Daddy


    Critical Manager

    1310 posts
    Fu: 101.10
    Posted - 9/11/2013 4:23:34 PM
    of course...
    seeing the site now it's clear OJ had no chance.
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    Coach Knoll Cowher

    Ninjachef

    997 posts
    Fu: 100.96
    Posted - 9/11/2013 9:29:18 PM
    Ok
    That's fair, I didn't finish the draft. But I do not remember there being any penalties assessed for anyone previously that didn't finish. Also, there is no MB cost for drafting. But I would be ok with having to spend 1 MB each for a shitty K and a shitty DF. Could I also still bid on other positions this Wed.? If not I think that levies a very unfair penalty, as this is the most important FA of the season offtimes.

    Again, I fucked up and am willing to take my medicine. But I need an answer soon to change my bids.
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    Coach Knoll Cowher

    Ninjachef

    997 posts
    Fu: 100.96
    Posted - 9/11/2013 9:30:53 PM
    NP Zach
    I had the newb regardless.
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    Dr. Mayhem


    Theremin Player

    650 posts
    Fu: 99.66
    Posted - 9/11/2013 9:46:11 PM
    The more I've thought about it
    The more I don't think that penalty would be unfair. Chances are that your last 2 picks of the draft would be the first 2 positions dropped in free agency. And there really isn't much difference if you do or don't have someone to drop for those first 2 free agency pickups. And you'll notice that the 2 people who spoke up in favor of what would be an extra penalty also happen to be the other 2 people in your division.

    What I don't understand is how Kent didn't win Hankerson or the Titans D in today's free agency.
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    Roving Gambler


    Football Freak

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    Fu: 101.89
    Posted - 9/11/2013 9:48:56 PM
    Not sure I agree with the good doctor
    I don't see any advantage in Kent's "strategy". Starting the first Sunday at 10am, we are all free to drop players in Free Agency, so no one is required to start week 1 with a standard 3QB, 4RB, 5WR, 2TE, 2K, 2DST, 1C roster. A team that doesn't have a full lineup just doesn't drop players, but has no inherent advantage come game time that I can see. If anything, not having a full lineup and no guarantee for submitting a winning bid in FA is a disadvantage, even if it's only a small one. It's hard for me not to side with Stu on general principle, but I gotta disagree this time, it seems.
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    Roving Gambler


    Football Freak

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    Fu: 101.89
    Posted - 9/11/2013 9:51:37 PM
    Now my post makes no sense
    I guess I do agree with Stu after all, reading his post from 2 minutes before mine. Things are back to normal.
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    Coach Knoll Cowher

    Ninjachef

    997 posts
    Fu: 100.96
    Posted - 9/12/2013 8:01:01 PM
    FA
    Any word on Hankerston?
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    Oleg the Finn


    Headbanger

    3322 posts
    Fu: 124.22
    Posted - 9/14/2013 6:54:54 AM
    Hankerson and the Maulers, not to be
    When the Maulers and I spoke on the phone this week, he admitted that he never got the green checkmark on the free agent bidding form. I also verified this in the raw data and have also verified that the FA results page does improperly show illegal/unfinished bids in the "Failed Bids" section. I'll correct that page to not even show those unfinished bids.

    I hate to say it, but it is the owner's responsibility to ensure that the bids made are legal and that there are players configured to be waived. There is a bigass red exclaimation mark on the page until it is legal, after which there is a bigass green checkmark displayed. I can't really make it any more obvious.

    Ergo, Hankerson stays as is.
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    Alicia

    Scout

    98 posts
    Fu: 91.96
    Posted - 9/14/2013 8:38:46 AM
    Okie doke
    I'm not sure what I did or did not do correctly, but I might have been high! Thanks for checking. Onward and upward!
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    Coach Cowher Tomlin

    Ninjachef

    997 posts
    Fu: 100.96
    Posted - 9/14/2013 8:41:25 AM
    Doh!
    That was me not Alicia. I might be high.
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    Oleg the Finn


    Headbanger

    3322 posts
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    Posted - 9/14/2013 10:21:31 AM
    we need a tar and feather rule
    it's downright embarrassing that someone in our league would not put in starters for the first week. i know that big corporate websites auto-start players based on your drafting order, but that's not the way we roll at Customized Football. this is a big-boys website.

    anyways, technically there should be a score of 0 for the game. but that sucks, too, because whether the score is 0 or is X, we're still dealing with messy impressions and what-ifs at the end of the season. this league is sooo competitive and in determining the playoff teams it always comes down to one Win and also YTD points. so let's all thank the n00b for a fine mess. thanks, n00b!

    this is made a little easier by the fact that the game would have been won by the Maulers regardless of whether or not Steely-DildoDanzig put in starters. thank friggin gosh.

    technically, if someone puts in extra starters at a position then the highest scoring player gets sat on the bench. so if they started 4 WR's and the scores were 21, 15, 11, and 2, then the "21" gets benched and the WR starters become 15, 11, and 2. this is the only way to completely stop any shenanigans and put the onus on the owner to bear responsibility for their lineup. it also removes all subjectivity from any remedies.

    i think that a similar rule should be for anyone who puts in NO lineup. this is a freakin' mess that would be disastrous in the future if a game's outcome was in the balance. we should have a non-subjective method that determines who that team actually started. it could either be not starting the top player at each position, or it could use the player projection rankings from some big corporate website, or it could be something else. we don't want to be too draconian, but there should be some sanction and there needs to be a way to handle it in a systemic fashion.

    in the meantime, BOO TO THE N00B! Shame!



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    Oleg the Finn


    Headbanger

    3322 posts
    Fu: 124.22
    Posted - 9/14/2013 10:33:34 AM
    incomplete teams and FA
    while some sort of penalty or some requirement to meet the roster position paradigm requirements sounds good on the surface, i'm not sure if any advantage is actually gained by having an incomplete roster when the first FA signing rolls around.

    if anything, there is at least a small MB penalty that is inherent in having to fill those open slots. other than that, the only other effect that i see is that the other teams have a small advantage because there are extra player(s) in the FA pool which would not be there if all teams had full rosters. those extra players may or may not be relevant, but they do have an opportunity to be so.

    and the counter argument is really solid regarding how the first week's FA sessions are the most important. we don't want to disadvantage a team so much that they have to do a two-step FA process before they can try to get the good players.

    tsk. we need a Tar and Feather Rule.
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    Coach Cowher Tomlin

    Ninjachef

    997 posts
    Fu: 100.96
    Posted - 9/14/2013 10:44:14 AM
    My bad as well.
    While the newb certainly deserves whatever scorn is coming his way, I also have to apologize for not finishing the draft. As Keith says, this is a big boys League and I should have white-knuckled it for the last two draft spots. I suck for wimping out. I am Kentfident it (probably) will not happen again.
    Peace and love, brothers.
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    Coach Cowher Tomlin

    Ninjachef

    997 posts
    Fu: 100.96
    Posted - 9/14/2013 10:57:12 PM
    Yo Division names!
    We are Madness hear us roar!
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