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Posted - 10/29/2014 9:44:59 AM |
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That trade is ridiculous
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Maybe it's just because I'm facing Billy this week, but I'm pretty sure that anyone with any sense can see that Philip Rivers and Terrance Williams aren't in any way equal to each other.
I just felt that needed to be said. |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 9:49:22 AM |
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I agree
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| bad trade there. |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 10:09:48 AM |
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Who is Terrence Williams?
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Posted - 10/29/2014 1:13:33 PM |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 2:15:36 PM |
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Rush Perposed the trade
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| I accepted |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 3:37:54 PM |
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I fully understand that
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| I wasn't really questioning how the trade happened. I just wanted to make sure that someone pointed out how ridiculous it was - I doubt I was the only person thinking it. |
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Rush
head of scouting
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Fu: 99.57 |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 8:40:22 PM |
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I tried trading for other WRs
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Everyone else has gold and won't give it up. Gold Jerry gold.
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Posted - 10/29/2014 8:48:20 PM |
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that is really funny Dave,
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| Really funny |
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Rush
head of scouting
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Fu: 99.57 |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 9:23:22 PM |
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OK, the more I think about it
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| Something had to be done. The status quo was not working. Even though I have been in the upper half of the league in scoring all season my record is a paltry 2-6. For Fuck sake even the scribbles is calling my team irrelivant. 5 other times I have perposed trades for WR's all rejected. Ever since AJ Green went ro limbo status my WR corp has sucked horse cock. For 4 weeks an a row I have lost by 8 points or less T Williams would have more than surpassed that margin 3 out of 4 weeks. Why leave Rivers on my bench adding nothing to my point total. When I could have won with Williams. If I am going to make the play-offs I have to win now, and maybe that means making drastic changes. This may not make sense to you, but doing nothing at all makes less sense to me. |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 10:18:10 PM |
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No explanation needed
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| I don't see any reason for either guy to justify their trade to us. We've had too many seemingly "bad" trades made that turned out to be anything but. And we really are terrible at trading, as a league. Terrible offers (some from me), terrible overvaluing of our own players (some by me), and a good number of owners that don't seem to be making any trades (now that's not me - I'm looking right at the two guys complaining about this trade, though). There's been basically no movement for 2 months until this week. Props to Billy and Dave for getting out there and making good offers to people, and finding something that works for their selfish best interests. Those of us who overvalue our players are the real losers here. Well, not me. I'm awesome. But the rest of you are losers. Especially Sean. You suck, Sean. |
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Posted - 10/29/2014 11:23:00 PM |
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Honestly. I don't think it needs justification.
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But try to look at it from my perspective.
I face Billy this week and Jay Cutler has a bye. His backups are (were) Derek Carr facing Seattle and Austin Davis facing San Francisco. Now all of the sudden, he has a top 5 QB. While it did cost him his best WR - that player was Terrance Williams and that's all it cost him. Had it been me in Dave's position (offering up Rivers), I would have added one of my bench WRs and asked for Cutler also. But that's just my approach to trading.
As for me not making any trades - I've had a few conversations, but haven't seen anything that made me want to pull the trigger. I try not to trade just for the sake of making a trade.
I don't know if I value my guys too high, I just often feel that trading for only a slight improvement isn't always worth it. This doesn't mean that I'm looking to rip people off, it just means that if I'm giving up someone of value I want the return (or at least the main piece of what I get in return) to be a noticeable upgrade to my new starting lineup.
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Posted - 10/30/2014 2:29:43 PM |
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Most obsurd trade ever
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| In all my years playing ff, I've never seen a worse trade. The fact that it isn't out for veto vote is appaling. Top 5 QB in a QB heavy point system for a bottom feeder WR, 'it's ridiculous' is a major understatement. |
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Rush
head of scouting
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Posted - 10/30/2014 7:24:07 PM |
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Stu this is unbelievable
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Only a week ago when I was inquiring about acquiring a WR from you, you replied and I'm paraphrasing, No one on my team interest you. Further, you wrote ,who is Terrance Williams? So a trade that involves, no one of interest, and a player that you had to ask who? Should have flown well below your lofty radar.
For weeks I have tried in vain to trade for improvement in my WR corp and I received no takers, just strange reasons for rejection. This was a trade that benefitted both parties.
End of statement. |
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Rush
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Posted - 10/30/2014 7:38:54 PM |
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Sorry about all the errors in spelling
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| Yesterday, when I posted I was at my girlfriends house. Her apple II e doesn't have spellcheck, and AOL was really slow. |
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Posted - 10/30/2014 10:04:24 PM |
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Dave, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond here.
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With this being the internet and there being no way to know "tone of voice," I think that I'm coming of as being more outraged about this trade than I actually am. I'm more upset about Billy's improved QB situation this week than about the inequality of the trade.
This league has a long history of crazy trades (I once traded Brandon Marshall away for Shonn Greene) and this trade is just another one. The timing of it just really struck a nerve with me for reasons I mentioned in a previous post about Billy's QB situation. I felt like saying something about the trade. If you'll notice, I have never said anything about getting the trade vetoed or negated. I know these kinds of trades can happen, and I had that in mind when I made the first post here. I just felt that something needed to be said, so I said what was on my mind. The trade is ridiculous, but I also know that it's the kind of thing that can happen in this league.
As for our discussion, you asked what I was looking for and I told you. My assumption was that Le'Veon Bell wasn't available, so I didn't ask about him.
It was Zach who asked who Terrance Williams was. I know who he is, he was on my team last season. |
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Posted - 10/31/2014 6:46:49 AM |
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You know what is veto-worthy?
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| The Game of the Week choice. The Blast vs WRMC is clearly the top game, for several reasons now. That one is a must watch! |
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Posted - 11/2/2014 7:02:50 AM |
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the price of freedom
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i haven't yet chimed in on The Trade but as time goes on a comment seems more warranted.
it is my firm belief that a trade should never be vetoed unless collusion is in play. and if collusion is in play, veto that trade and then kick out the two owners before next season. Collusion is a capital fantasy offense.
being that the Rush did not trade with the intention of collusion, we unfortunately have to all take it in the ass and grin and bear it. i take solace in the fact that the Blast haven't won a championship yet, so if this puts him over the edge then at least the goddamn fucking Koo didn't win it again.
that being said, how are we supposed to deal with ridiculous and imbalanced trades? in my opinion, it is a total overcompensation to introduce subjective evaluations by peers and any sort of formal veto process. historically, these approaches in leagues usually result in a bigger mess due to trade delays, irritated owners during the process, and worst of all some owners will veto a trade because it is in their best interest to do so.
besides, who are we to say that Player X is so much better than Player Y?
ok, well, in some cases we can. but in those scenarios, a public tar and feathering like we just witnessed here is a completely appropriate response. public discourse and derision regarding trades are part of living in a civil society/fantasy football league. everyone has their first amendment and can say whatever they want, and hopefully it isn't personal and isn't taken personally.
on a tangential note, i have never understood why big-name players are traded behind the scenes. certainly, some other owner could have offered more for the #4 overall QB. i wouldn't trade for Rivers simply because i already have the greatest QB in the known universe, but i can't believe that Williams would be the best offer league-wide. i wish and hope that there will be more public announcements when blue chip players are trying to be moved. it seems that every season we see a big trade or two where half the league says they would have paid more had they known about the availability of the player. it makes no sense to me why teams keep these talks in secret and i encourage everyone to rethink that approach. you'll get FAR more value by putting some sunshine onto it. |
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Posted - 11/2/2014 8:05:46 AM |
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I agree with Keith
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| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No collusion, no problem. I strongly believe no-one in the league tries to help out another team; in fact, it is the opposite. If Rush would have offered me former first round pick to the Skullsplitters, Phillip Rivers, for Julio or Maclin I would have declined the offer. Let's take a step back and only judge people by their appearance and not trades. |
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