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Posted - 9/15/2009 8:58:22 PM |
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The Curious Case of Benjamin Watson
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Looks like there were a handful of players that Keith and Kent somehow added to their teams despite being passed out cold for the last few rounds of the draft. That don't sit right with me. I thought we had this problem before and settled on a different solution, namely that any empty slots on a team are filled on the first wednesday of free agency. Since the rule book hasn't changed since 1982, I looked back through past seasons and saw that Kent's 2007 draft board had two empty slots, and the subsequent free agency period had him picking up two new players without dropping anyone. I take that to be evidence that a decision has already been made as to the legitimacy of this year's new roster additions.
And even if that wasn't the rule, I believe that owners should not be able to select additional players on the Sunday of week 1. I believe there is a distinct advantage to getting to choose players on Sunday morning - there is more information about inactives, an owner may not be as tired and prone to a bad decision, and there is much more time within which to make your selection. While it's may be a small advantage, it's an advantage all the same, and I see no reason to reward the people who can't hold their liquor or their eyes open.
But I do think that there is room for improvement. How about a Sunday morning free agency for week 1? It would allow people to make last-minute roster moves, including filling an incomplete roster, but would require both a small sacrifice in the form of megabucks, and a competitive environment in which to make that decision.
As for this year, though, I'd rather see Watson, Harrison, Jacksonville, etc, back in the pool for everyone to overbid on. |
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Posted - 9/15/2009 9:41:56 PM |
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Word.
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| I agree with the gamblers. second, all those in favor say "i" |
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Maulers
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Posted - 9/15/2009 9:56:49 PM |
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Not my fault!
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| I believe my picks were made for me...lol |
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Posted - 9/15/2009 10:59:50 PM |
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Agreed.
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Though I think Jeremy's trying to be nice by suggesting a Sunday morning free agency period before week 1. A) There should be no benefits extended to those who pass out on Draft Day, and B) There's no guarantee that those who pass out on Draft Day would be conscious for that free agency period anyway.
Well said, Gamblers. I think those players should be put back into the free agency pool. |
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Posted - 9/16/2009 4:13:42 PM |
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agreed, agreed
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I thought this issue had been resolved, you wait until first FA period to fill those roster spots.
2 easy solutions-
start the draft at a time where passing out is not as likely (finishing at 1 a.m. is ridiculous)
fill out a 'last will and testament' worksheet so that when you are unable to complete the draft because you pass out, get raptured up, are dragged out of house by angry pimp for not giving $5 handjobs at truck stop, etc |
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Posted - 9/16/2009 8:23:08 PM |
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i'm going public
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a) it's ridiculous that this is being framed in a way where it is somehow MY advantage to be picking from the draft leftovers on sunday morning, vs the suggested remedy which is to deny teams a STARTING LINEUP for the first week of the season, a consequent loss of YTD points, and the additional ability for everyone to have Week 1 hindsight when evaluating what were previously considered "dregs." i think you all need to get a grip. "irony" is a very kind way to describe it.
b) show me the official Rule. oh that's right, we don't have one. maybe we should come up with one that actually is balanced and works, without damaging the competitiveness of the league.
c) read A) again.
d) since this is now the approach that the vocal owners want officially both this season and going forward, i'll be seriously reconsidering having any more draft parties.
e) since some owners want to approach the league in this fashion, we'll go all the way: two Ragnarok owners had asked me after the 1pm kickoff on sunday to put in their starting lineups for them since they were late. these two teams will have their illegal starting lineups reversed and they will be getting a 0 for their Week 1 scores.
Congrats to the two previously losing teams that will now get a win.
enjoy the new league. it's what you want.
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Posted - 9/16/2009 9:53:43 PM |
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I think this ....
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Everyone is appreciative of everything keith does for our FFL. The code, the thousands of hours spent and invested, the hospitality of hosting every year. and the many thousands of dollars spent on the new addition( not exclusivly for the draft but with it in mind i'm sure). it was a sweet set up. it breaks my heart that i couldn't be there friday night. beyond that, i think of him as my friend as i'm sure all of you do.
maybe this has gotten a little blown up. finishing you draft if you have not made it through on sat. night in wed. FA is not asking too much. by the 16th or 17th round, you should have your starters for week one, i think we can all agree on that. What chaps my ass is passing out before it's over. i posted a couple of weeks back about the girls draft, how easy it seemed, how fast it went(5 hours) and how much fun all of them had. hell, even i had fun and i wasn't drafting.
Bottom line, don't start drinking at 8:30 am for a 5PM draft. if you can't make it through, and you prolly know that you won't well ahead of time, fill out a work sheet. that's what it is there for.
as far as the 1 PM deadline to set your rosters, well, tough nuggies dawg. 1pm is 1pm is 1pm. i don't think that is too much to ask either.
thanks again to keith and jacqueline for hosting and being great hosts. Where ever we have it next year, it won't be as nice. unless it's vegas. |
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Maulers
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Posted - 9/16/2009 9:53:55 PM |
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Ok guys
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This whole thing has gotten out of hand. I was wrong to not make it through the entire draft, and I also was 15 minutes late getting my picks in. If I need to be punished for these offenses, so be it. I don't think it is fair to take a win away from me, but I was clearly in the wrong.
The bigger issue here is the level of rancor. This is supposed to be a fun, social league. There are not thousands of dollars at stake. I look forward each year to seeing everyone and I consider you all my friends. Let's calm down and rethink things as friends and respected competitors. |
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Posted - 9/16/2009 9:56:37 PM |
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Here Here kent.
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Posted - 9/16/2009 10:13:51 PM |
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I can't believe so many would whine and cry about the left overs.
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| Its suposed to be a draft party. Big deal if someone passes out. Everyone gets a boost with what they get to pick, if someone does. If thats not enough, your just plain greedy. |
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Posted - 9/16/2009 10:47:18 PM |
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Billy i appreciate the kind words
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but what is important to note is that what was being advocated resulted in me NOT having a full lineup to start in Week 1. and i also think that if anyone took a few moments to ponder it a bit more, one would realize that we do not want to have incomplete teams starting the season. that actually poses some very serious threats to competitive balance.
i'd like to also point out that it's really easy to imply that my passing out was due to some simple irresponsibility on my drinking self, but the truth of the matter is that i don't get to sleep in on any day of the weekend, take a nap saturday afternoon, or do anything else restful for the entire preceeding week. i would challenge anyone to try walking in my shoes that week.
the good news is that i think we have found a super solution to this scenario. the Champ and i have been talking and the best and most non-controversial approach going forward would be to utilize a third-party list to neutrally fill out any remaining slots on sunday morning. this provides an easy, straightforward way to fill out any slots without introducing any controversy or other competitive relationships with owner real-life schedules on that post-draft sunday morning. we'd take the generic CBS Sportsline rankings and simply pick the top remaining player at whatever position is needed. if CBS has predictions for the NFL divisional winners, we'll use those projected records to rank the coaches. if not, we'll go with Sports Illustrated's divisional predictions.
with this method, there is no controversy, no incomplete starting lineups, and no independent thinking. no team is in a hole trying to fill a starting lineup slot (which has the potential to drag on over multiple weeks, btw), and the season starts in a fair fashion.
and personally, i don't give a hoot about who those last 3 players are on my team. the real point is that there needs to be a full starting lineup at the beginning of the season. with this system in mind, we'll sweep away the 2009 controversy too - i'm going to apply the Sportsline rankings to the two teams and we'll do free agency on Thursday this week.
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Maulers
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Posted - 9/16/2009 11:02:43 PM |
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Sounds good to me
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| Whatever works in a fair way is cool. |
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Posted - 9/16/2009 11:49:57 PM |
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Excellent solution
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| and i do realize there was noplay for kind words. eat a sack of dicks. |
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Posted - 9/17/2009 8:21:24 AM |
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see my first post.......
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| use a worksheet and start the draft earlier, problem solved. |
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Posted - 9/17/2009 11:44:16 AM |
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I'm In - and a note about Will's earlier draft suggestion
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I may not think that the 2007 solution to owner absence was as onerous as some do, but this issue is nothing that I feel strongly about. What I do feel strongly about is that owners should be comfortable with the fairness of this league. And as such, I'm in for Keith and the soon-to-be former champ's solution.
But more than that, I'm in for Ragnarok kicking ass and for seconding or thirding or twelthing the thanks to Keith for all he does to make this all happen. It may go without saying that his hard work is much appreciated, but it's worth re-emphasizing, particularly after the huge effort on draft weekend. So thanks.
On a similar topic, I'd like to keep Will's suggestion for an earlier draft time as a topic for discussion. Will may want to start early because he's busy or so he can get back to his life, but since I have no life my interest in an earlier draft is purely social. If we started at 3pm and finished at 11pm, I'd totally hang out for a couple of hours looking over each team, shooting the shit with other owners, and generally enjoying the hell out of the end of a great day. If that helps avoid the need for finishing other owners' drafts in their absence, all the better.
If there is a reason that the draft needs to start at 5pm, that's fine. But if it's something that can be moved up, I see some real benefit. |
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Posted - 9/17/2009 5:05:43 PM |
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Maulers +
K Nedney
DF Bucs
RB Norwood
Skullsplitters +
HC Harbaugh
K Mare
TE M. Lewis |
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Rush
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Posted - 9/18/2009 12:06:17 AM |
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Since we're talking about new rules.
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Something to think about for next year....…If there is a next year.
Sunday afternoon after watching Adrian Peterson stiff-arm the shit out of some pathetic DB from the Brown's. Eric, Keith and I had a conversation about victory points and the angels and demons of them. Keith made the point that he had the second highest score in the league and was yet probably going to lose the weekly match up. (This was true as of 3:30 pm Sunday) He also brought up the point that in past years, the highest point earner for the season did not always make it to the post season. Well, boo hoo hoo. I hate Fuckin' victory points. They have no true nature in football, its about winning and losing.
He did make some valid points though about being consistently very good and still being beaten out by luck.
We discussed different solutions and finally I came up with this one though at the time I don't think I communicated it very well at the time.
My point was;
1) Do not change the match ups. 1 head to head W, is just that 1 W.
2) The top 4 scorers of the week get a M for moral victory.
3) This means that you have to be in the top 3rd of scoring to earn an M. (Quality) The reason for the moral victories in stead of just giving it to highest point total at the end of the season, lessons the effect of a blowout games by a player.
4) Come play off time five teams are chosen for the play-offs based on wins and losses.
The sixth slot is given to the team with the most Moral victories that is not already in the play-offs. As long as the team achieves 7 M's. This way they have to be in the top 3rd at least half of the time. (Consistency)
5) For a team to get 7 M's and have a non play-off record would be hard to achieve but could happen. If no team achieves these benchmarks then no team makes the play-offs via the moral victory route, and the final slot is given to the next team in line with wins and loses.
This formula helps insure that the teams that make the post season are the best teams in the league and deserve to be there because of the quality and consistency of their players.
If you say that moral victories are just a veiled attempt at passing victory points into this league, then I will never bring it up again.
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Maulers
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Posted - 9/18/2009 1:09:38 AM |
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Moral victory?
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Really? Can the Buffalo Bills turn in their four Super Bowl losses for a Moral Victory ring? How about giving Marino one for his bushels of passing records.
There is nothing moral about football. Football is about vicious hits, bone-jarring tackles and the crushing of the other teams' hopes and dreams. Football is brutal, capricious and often unfair. Ask the Titans about those six inches of moral victory they should get.
Fantasy football contains a large amount of luck. Every week some unknown third stringer has a careeer game, or a Head Coach decides to stop using your star player for no apparent reason. Injuries rob us of starters and referees take back game-winning TD's.
No artificial system of fluffy bunny huggles can compensate for the inherent soul-destroying pitfalls that we endure season after season. Yet the presence of repeat Champions does seem to indicate that consistency is rewarded. I've been in the League since the third season and have yet to "luck" my way into a Title. I could give a flying hairy fuck about a moral victory. |
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Posted - 9/18/2009 9:50:42 AM |
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Wow kent. i actualy agree with you.
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| being one of the teams who lead the league in scoring(2008) but did not make the play-offs,i agree with kent(i can't believe i am typing those words) Moral victory and victory points can take a hike. Life is unfair. but we all keep keepin on, right? well let's not take something so fun and nice and muck it up with baby girl keep your cookie from gettin bruised and swollen safety nets and think more about football. the game that pertains to our league. |
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