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Wolverines
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Posted - 8/22/2003 4:33:43 AM |
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Jamal rule is bullshit
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so what your saying is that everyone else has a shot to draft my player but me just cause he was hurt before season, hes hurt anyone in the league should be able to draft him in which ever round they think hes worth it. me being able to draft him is no advantage
I still have to decide just like anyone of you if its worth it. the first amendment to this rule is bullshit. why should all of you have a chance to draft him but me, you all franchise players to. |
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Posted - 8/22/2003 8:22:23 AM |
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The intent is to remove subjectivity from the scenario
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I can understand your frustration, and I have to say that you seem to have had some of the worst luck over the years. Let me explain a bit more what this rule accomplishes by having that restriction, and then if we can find another way to do this, it sure can be considered.
The main reason for this restriction is to make it where the league and/or other owners don't have to get involved in placing a value judgement on the severity of an injury. What happens if an injury takes place on September 5th (in practice), and that player is going to miss 3 weeks? Who decides what warrants the application of the Jamal Lewis Rule? Can the owner of that player then make a switch to another player from last season's roster? What if the injury is only for 1 week, and the real benefit of changing players is that Player A's team is looking like it's going to be worse than originally thought, while Player B's team is looking pretty hot after the preseason.
What is a bad enough injury, anyways? 4 weeks? 8? 1?
So how can we make this an objective situation? The best way so far is to directly place it on the owner who makes the decision - you can swap players, but you gotta do it because it's needed, and you're willing to take the restriction as part of it. While it hurts to waive a stud, at least you get a healthy player for the season.
If another objective solution can be found, let's come up with it. But we have to address the subjectivity issue that I've outlined, with different degrees of injury and duration, and do it in a way where we avoid saying "4 weeks Out is the minimum qualification", etc. That's just too much subjectivity (and too much administrative overhead - "simple is good"). |
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Coach Knoll Cowher
Football Freak
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Posted - 8/22/2003 9:50:53 AM |
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There has to be a penalty
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If there is no penalty for releasing a player and getting to choose a new franchise player, then the Jamal rule is open to abuse. An owner who has a franchise player sustain an injury before the season starts has to make a decision. Either you decide that the player will overcome the injury in time for him to still warrant your franchise tag, or you decide that he no longer has sufficient value and release him. Imagine this scenario: I have the #1 overall pick in the draft. I own Vick and Faulk. Vick sustains an injury that will keep him out at least one week or more. I release Vick and keep Faulk, then immediately draft Vick with my first pick. As Keith says, such a situation leads inevitably to the "how long" question. Given the often nebulous nature of sports injury recoveries, that's a slippery slope I think is best avoided.
One point I'd like to make. While the rest of us had to choose our franchise players several weeks ago, based on what we had seen of the preseason at that time, Eric now gets to make a new choice based on far more information. Thus, while it may seem unfair to block Eric from drafting Vick, this is the penalty that balances the rest of the equation. |
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Posted - 8/22/2003 10:33:18 AM |
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Of course Vick is worth drafting, BUT...
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you have the option (or privilege!) of replacing that stud for another. As the original victim of the Jamal Rule, I was in a panic for a few agonizing days. Luckily, our league prides itself on an even playing field...at least until AFTER the draft. Rather than calling bullshit, think about the "big" picture. To let you have Faulk and turn around in round one and pick Vick gives that team two franchise players through a loophole that we as a league already see. Yeah someone may pick Vick in the draft, but there are healthy QB's out there so realistically noone really needs him until early-mid rounds, or later. You are the only one with an investment right now because he was yours. Ergo, you would probably be the first to pick that QB who won't be playing until late October-early November anyway. So if it hurts too much to see that, keep him on IR until he's fit to play. Take the risk that Faulk will be there on your pick.
There are still guys getting hurt this preseason-some with franchise tags-so there are just too many injuries to put degrees of injury and duration times on them. I stand by my statement earlier. While the new Jamal amendments are fair, we need to stop tweeking and changing every time a new wind blows in.
Let's focus on football, not injuries.
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Wolverines
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Posted - 8/22/2003 3:23:58 PM |
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still bullshit
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| your arguments are not sound. first Coach Cower in your imaginary senario if you have two franchise players and you have first pick you get them both any way wether the player gets hurt or not, cause one is your franchise the other your first pick. to mr tuffs. you talk about me being able to turn around and pick him in the first round and being able to have two franchise players, what kind of sence does that make I have 10th pick so any one of you could pick him also and then you would have two franchise players, so why do i forfeit the ability to draft him in any turn just because he was hurt and now all of you have the ability to have two franchise players. so you all can sit around and leave him in the draft uitil the 10th 11th 12th rd and i cant even draft him in the 19th round, this is complete bullshit.I still only have one franchise player , and mike is still being thrown back into the pool. the jamal rule should be to keep things even if a player gets a preseason injury. not to punish a team for having a player get a preseason injury. |
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