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Commanders
Headbanger
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Posted - 11/23/2017 8:29:53 AM |
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SCHEDULE CHANGE
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Ludicrous Speed pointed something out to me this week and I've been looking at solutions ever since. I think I found the least painful solution. But first let me describe the issue:
Basically, when I generated the schedule I chose the wrong season length. I didn't even realize that I had selected a 14 week season instead of a 13 week season. As a result, our divisional organization was not properly reflected in the schedule. Plus it goes to Week 14, which sucks because it pushes the championship game out to Week 17 (a truly awful thing).
Soooo, the good news is that the Speed saw this before we played out our last two weeks. We basically have these options:
1) Create a brand new 13-week schedule and keep everyone's team scores in place, resulting in a perfect schedule but everyone would have new W-L records calculated. And then we'd play out the last two weeks of our perfect schedule as normal. We can't really do this, though, because it's just too insane.
2) Examine three scenarios where each one of the remaining weeks would be nixed (leaving us with 13 weeks in the regular season), and see how each one would result in divisioniness. Of the three weeks, the "best" option would be to nix Week 12 and use Week 13 and Week 14 matchups but we would still have blemishes in each division.
3) Chop off Week 14 and also have the Leapers and Dwellers swap divisions. I've done hours of analysis on the schedule and this scenario would result in the least amount of blemishes if our goal was to maximize a "divisiony" schedule. Even so, I think this option is also icky.
4) Delete Weeks 12-14 and make the best matchups that we can design for Week 12 and Week 13, in order to support the divisional structure as best we can. Doing this would have one division be perfectly divisiony and would minimize the blemishes elsewhere. This will be our remedy.
I profusely apologize for the situation. This is my 21st year playing fantasy football and this is a first for me.
I think the best and only thing that we can do is to make the least painful adjustments which will result in the most divisioniness and also support us having our playoffs in Weeks 14-16.
Thank you for your understanding!
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/23/2017 12:49:12 PM |
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Why
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| Dont we just drop the divisions altogether keep the same schedule through week 13 and the top 8 teams or whatever get in the playoffs. Honestly i hate divisions myself. I think we are a little late into the season to be making the changes proposed. |
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/23/2017 12:59:55 PM |
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Nevermind you already changed the schedule
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| That is fine. No offense but this whole season has been one of the worst leagues i have ever been apart of. I am never one to complain but i am probably not going to be participating next year. |
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Posted - 11/23/2017 6:53:20 PM |
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ok, let's make it simple then
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| I'll revert to the previous schedule and we'll just delete Week 14, and then the top six W-L teams make the playoffs. divisions won't matter anymore. |
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/23/2017 7:06:04 PM |
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Lol i am not the end all be all either
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| The reason i am a little mad about this is because you didnt have the league vote on it regardless of what we decided. Lets just finish out the season the way you had it and that is that. I didnt post that just to get my way. But i dont see the point of changing the schedule in the first place. Now i played Tweeder Town twice and didnt play Hot Llama at all so i guess i just didnt get the logic behind that beside wanting to make divisional teams play twice in the season but what significance do divisions play anyways this isnt a 32 team league. Just dont worry about it. Keep it the way you changed it and just stop messing with it. |
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/23/2017 7:13:23 PM |
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And
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| I didnt post that just because Ludicrous' score. I am not that way and I honestly feel bad for saying anything. But next time if something like that were to happen that late in the season or at any point we should really all have a vote. That is all. I was hangry ealier so I apologize now im full. |
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Posted - 11/23/2017 7:17:48 PM |
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this week has been tough
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i would have preferred a robust group discussion and a vote, but there just wasn't an opportunity and i knew that making a decision after the games began would potentially be messy. that's why i tried to make what i hoped would be the best and least painful decision. obviously that was not the case.
the simplest thing is to just get rid of Week 14 and let the chips fall. that is now done.
if anyone wants to ask for a league vote to modify the playoff criteria to not give the top four seeds to the divisional winners, but instead have all six playoff seeds be at-large, please do so and we'll put up a ballot box. if not, we'll just stick with everything as it is now.
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/23/2017 7:37:44 PM |
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Its all good.
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| I dont think it was done with nefarious intentions man. I get what you were trying to do but the schedule was already screwed up bc of past games and that is what i got slightly perturbed about. |
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Ludicrous Speed
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/23/2017 11:07:39 PM |
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Dicey situation
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I respect the current proposal (6 at large playoff teams, same schedule, no divisions) for being simple and a good faith attempt at keeping things balanced. However, it also changes the criteria for how playoff teams are determined mid season. That shouldn't be taken lightly.
Regardless of how we feel about divisions, they were created by the commish, and scheduling rules were determined based on those divisions. Playoff criteria was then determined based on these divisions and 2 at large bids. Along with everything else in the rules, I think we need to try following that as much as possible.
Since some teams have played a non division team twice already, there's no solution that can satisfy all requirements. Something has to bend.
Changing schedules for the last 2 weeks is disruptive, but it doesn't change how the criteria for how playoff teams are determined. The latest proposal does change it. So while I understand the schedule change seems more disruptive, some of us believe changing criteria is actually the more disruptive of the two.
In any case, I'll respect whatever decision is made or voted on. There is no obvious 'right' solution to this, which is part of the reason why it's so difficult.
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Posted - 11/24/2017 7:21:07 PM |
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I put up a ballot box
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There are three options:
1) Chop off Week 14 and leave playoffs as-is, including divisions.
2) Chop off Week 14 and use at-large slots for the playoffs.
3) Create an optimized divisional-centric schedule for Weeks 12-13 and keep divisions.
Please feel free to share your thoughts on the forum if so inspired.
The deadline will be Sunday at noon (eastern time) and then the winning option will take effect for Week 12. |
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/25/2017 1:51:31 AM |
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The rules are the rules
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| Then the schedule should be the schedule, how is it anyone elses fault that the commish didnt have the schedule set right to begin with. I am all for not changing anything and cutting off week 14 which is what ill be voting for. I just think it is interesting that the so called "bend" you think is necessary gives you quite an easier schedule just at the time when you are on the very edge of missing the playoffs if you were to lose this week. I wasn't complaining when i played a top non divisional team twice earlier in the season. |
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Ludicrous Speed
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/25/2017 12:07:33 PM |
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Maybe it's a conspiracy? :)
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Maybe I should change my name to ConspiracySpeed. Amirite?
All kidding aside, I will likely not make the playoffs no matter what criteria is used. And you probably will because you've put together a good team despite a lot of adversity. More than likely, the same 6 teams will make it regardless of what's decided.
I like parts of all 3 proposals, including yours. I'm not a fan of the original tone it was presented, but that's entirely beside the point. I think we could all come up with about 15 different proposals, and yours would probably be in the top 3. I just like the one originally proposed by the commish better for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
On another note, does my schedule really get better if it gets changed like I'm supporting? I just looked at it and it seems like both are pretty even, but I'm honestly not sure.
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Ludicrous Speed
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/25/2017 5:39:09 PM |
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Well there's a twist
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I just compared the two scenarios, and was a little surprised at what I found.
I think my chances of a playoff berth might actually be better under Rodgers proposal. lol (although I'm still not likely to get in)
That won't change my vote for what I think is the best solution. But I won't do it with much enthusiasm. :)
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
46 posts
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Posted - 11/25/2017 11:59:27 PM |
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You can be a smart ass
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| If that helps you sleep at night. Honestly i could give two shits about whose proposal wins bc your right i will probably make the playoffs regardless. My point is that 2 owners should never be making decisions for the collective and i would imagine the rest of the owners would feel the same way about that. That is basic FF etiquette. This is supposed to be something fun not a headache. |
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Ludicrous Speed
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/26/2017 1:48:02 AM |
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k
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disengaging on further discussion and abstaining from voting on proposal
discussion has made me feel like i'm taking crazy pills |
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Posted - 11/26/2017 7:42:11 AM |
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for the record, this isn't about two owners deciding anything
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since the beginning of this league, it has been an encouraged collective approach. i have tried to bring in everyone's opinions on every open issue, ranging from draft details to free agency approach to 2018 redraft positions to trading deadlines, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
and so to paint this league as something where owners aren't being represented or input isn't encouraged is disingenuous.
most of the time, the majority of owners don't even say anything about any of these topics. and with this particular schedule issue, only three owners have responded to it even though three full days have passed.
as an aside, i haven't looked at any playoff scenarios and how they would be different between all of the proposed solutions. to me, i don't even *want* to know. i simply want to make the best, most fair decision at this point in time.
while it is true that this situation sucks big donkey balls, it's getting to the point where all perspective is being lost. yes, this sucks. but at this point, we just have to do the best job at being carpenters and do a slight design adjustment to be able to put the plumbing where it needs to be.
it's not the end of the world and it certainly doesn't warrant calling people names and saying that this is the worst fantasy football league that you've ever been in. if this is the worst, then you have lived a charmed life, my friend.
we are still going to make a commitment to a decision at lunchtime today and we are going to stick with it. if anyone has an opinion or would like to make a case for one solution over the other, please post on the board and also vote using the league ballot box. thanks!
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/26/2017 10:04:31 AM |
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Lost perspective? Id say so.
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| Ya'll just do what you think needs to be done. I could care less at this point. I have participated in every discussion. I have been more than patient with the issues that have come up. My opinions are my opinions about this league and if you dont have ears to hear them then ignore it. |
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
46 posts
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Posted - 11/26/2017 10:38:42 AM |
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Chances are
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| I am going to be tacking on another L anyways because i am rittled with injuries and have to deploy the little giants this week. |
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Posted - 11/26/2017 11:46:49 AM |
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you still have a murderer's row in your lineup
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| well, except for Cobb. Green Bay sure took the bullet train to Exposedville after Rodgers went down. but i still wouldn't want to face that lineup! |
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MrRodgers
Water Boy
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Posted - 11/26/2017 12:57:25 PM |
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Oh i know
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| It has been a rough go for my Packers this year. If they are smart they will focus on rebuilding our offensive line in the draft. It has been killer this uear |
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Posted - 11/26/2017 1:01:52 PM |
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alrighty, based on the ballot box it is official
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we'll use the optimized schedule for Week 12 and Week 13, and still maintain the divisional approach to playoff eligibility. i'll update the schedule within the hour and we'll officially have this behind us.
i greatly appreciate everyone's understanding and patience in this unwinnable situation.
now let's play some football!!
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