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Skullsplitters
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Posted - 12/16/2006 9:37:31 AM |
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sound bites are nice
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the policy with stat and scoring accuracy was not a random decision but was done after much deliberation by owners in years past and has been in the written rules since the beginning. it now appears as though most people are choosing to embrace a nice sound bite and ignore the very good reasons to have the stats be the final authority.
if we start some bureaucratic process to "verify scores each week" then every player, every game, every stat must be verified by hand.
ok, who is going to do it? it's pie in the sky to say that "oh, we will all do it." if that was the case, then why was Bachman getting +2 extra points from one of his games?
and what about the larger issue? is it "just" to allow those erroneous points to count when determining who should make the playoffs? it seems as though this important question is being ignored. officially ratifying clerical errors seems insane to me.
i think that these are important questions that have to be addressed as we try to find a better way.
one of the principles of a good design is Simple Is Good. it seems to me that it is much simpler, not to mention more fair and just, to state that all scores are finalized before the last regular season game kicks off. this would lock everything in and everyone would know exactly where they stand before they play their last game of the regular season. |
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Hitmen
General Manager
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Posted - 12/16/2006 12:00:07 PM |
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simple is good....agreed
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| I would like to have more confidence in the software to pick-up the mistakes. I don't know jack shit about programming, but I know Keith does this in his spare time because he loves it. I think the site is killer but the scoring accuracy could be improved on. Is there a program we could buy that can accurately process stats, past and present? I would be happy to pitch in extra cash each year if something like that is available. |
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Skullsplitters
Football Freak
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Posted - 12/16/2006 1:02:20 PM |
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negatory on the stat packages
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however, i think the stats will be fine because i just spent 12 hours last week working on patching the few holes that have been in the data miner this year (fumbles, DF scoring issues, coaches). we're pretty dang accurate now.
it really must be stressed that over 1,000 players are tracked every week and the error rate is less than 0.5%. and errors can come from so many places: the nfl stats themselves, because real world IDP players are traded that week, and more.... heck, when we did have a stat package the first couple of years, that had errors, too.
i've heard all year how one major fantasy site had Colston listed as a TE all year. another friend tells me that CBS Sportsline constantly has problems with defensive stats this year and that they've never fixed some bad offensive stats.
nothing is ever going to be 100% perfect, even coming from the nfl or a vendor. so frankly i think that everyone should just chill out about it.
does anybody remember 1997? jeez! |
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Maulers
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Posted - 12/16/2006 5:09:52 PM |
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Perhaps something in the middle?
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On one hand, we have a proposal saying game stats should be locked in before the start of the next week. On the other, we have the current system which allows for stat corrections all the way until the very end of the season.
I do not think that one week is enough time to accurately track down, report and fix any errors. I also think that waiting until 13 or so weeks goes by is ridiculous. If you have not cared enough about your teams final score by the time two weeks goes by, then another 10 isn't going to make any differrence. I think most of us agree that we do not want to ever see another scenario like we have had the past two years. While I applaud Keith for his dedication in going back and revising an entire season's worth of stats to slither into the play-offs, one has to ask where that effort was the last 13 weeks.
So how about a two week window to verify each week's stats before those results are locked down? I cannot imagine that there are that many errors that can go unfixed or unreported for much longer than that if we are all being diligent. I do want to make one point very clear though: if an error has been reported by an owner, and the Commisioner has not had time or has been unable to fix that stat, it should still be fixed and applied to the results of the game in question. We cannot expect instant fixes to such a complicated and often unwieldy system. |
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Posted - 12/16/2006 5:29:10 PM |
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Gold Standard solves many issues simultaneously
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"something in the middle" continues to ignore the obvious truth that there is no way that anyone is going to verify the games that they are not participating in. why is everyone choosing to ignore this?
unless someone wants to volunteer to manually audit *every* game, by hand, every week, and be accountable for it in a substantial way, this discussion is a waste of time.
we cannot compromise what Billy calls the Gold Standard. that is not going away. it is madness to get all pissed off about notions of Justice and then turn around and advocate making bad scores official.
there is no way that Matt's bogus two points in Week 5 should be valid, just because I chose to not audit the Bunch vs. Hitmen game by Week 7. this issue isn't just about "your own game."
why is this point being conveniently ignored?
and what is wrong with moving the cutoff point one week earlier? how does that fall short and still require "a middle ground?"
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Posted - 12/16/2006 8:38:08 PM |
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this is a difficult issue.....
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and I am refering to dealing with Kent's alternative lifestyle. I'm leaning toward Keith's proposal. If you know its going to come down to the wire with total points, audit stats until you shit yourself and throw up a little bit in your mouth. Any discrepanicies will be aired and dealt with prior to the last week of season. That alleviates the "midnight hour" controversies, dissapointment, etc. We put way to much time and effort into this to not have the correct teams go to play-offs.
Matt, don't leave the league. That fuckin Calavander Cottonmouth guy might come back to take your place. Does anybody remember that guy??......what the hell?? |
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Bunch
Assistant Coach
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Posted - 12/17/2006 11:41:24 AM |
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Let's get it straight.
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| All this talk going around that I am anti-philactics. Well, that's bullshit. I'm prophilactics, baby. Get it right. |
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Bunch
Assistant Coach
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Posted - 12/17/2006 11:57:03 AM |
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Fuck Off.
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| Keith keeps mentioning how I had 2 extra points from an earlier game and that is the real issue here. I am at fault for not trusting the scoring, and not noticing my D got credit for extra sacks. Does anyone really think I fucking noticed I got extra points from Week 7 and I was just hoping that nobody was gonna call my bluff. If it makes you feel better to displace the issue on me, then continue. However, the real issue here is the stats/scoring errors, and the fact that you continue to go back and try and weasel your way into the playoffs. Take some responsibility instead of posting these long discourses about the difficulties in implementing this rule. Get a stat/scoring system that actually works so it's not up to us to check stats in the first place. All the options on the site are great. However, when it's the last week in the regular season and you can't even find what your score is because your QB has 45 fumbles, your WR has 65 fumbles and your team has posted a -32 heading into the 4 pm games, something is fucking wrong. And it's not the 2 extra points my D had in Week 7. |
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Posted - 12/17/2006 3:12:15 PM |
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points are points are points
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deal with it. and there is no "weaseling" involved with auditing the scoring - it's the rules. i earned my playoff spot based on the real numbers, plain and simple.
also, i'm not implying that you knowingly allowed extra points for your score, matt; i'm saying that it's madness to state that we should somehow make those overlooked +2 points official, and it's madness to expect everyone to audit everyone else's games.
and if anyone has a problem with using my website, you are more than welcome to use CBS Sportsline next year. |
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